Some nighttime sports shots

Got a thin skin? Then look elsewhere. Post a link to an image that you've made, and invite others to offer their critiques. Honesty is encouraged, but please be positive in your constructive criticism. Flaming and just plain nastiness will not be tolerated. Please note that this is not an area for you to showcase your images, nor is this a place for you to show-off where you have been. This is an area for you to post images so that you may share with us a technique that you have mastered, or are trying to master. Typically, no more than about four images should be posted in any one post or thread, and the maximum size of any side of any image should not exceed 950 px.

Moderators: Greg B, Nnnnsic, Geoff, Glen, gstark, Moderators

Forum rules
Please note that image critiquing is a matter of give and take: if you post images for critique, and you then expect to receive criticism, then it is also reasonable, fair and appropriate that, in return, you post your critique of the images of other members here as a matter of courtesy. So please do offer your critique of the images of others; your opinion is important, and will help everyone here enjoy their visit to far greater extent.

Also please note that, unless you state something to the contrary, other members might attempt to repost your image with their own post processing applied. We see this as an acceptable form of critique, but should you prefer that others not modify your work, this is perfectly ok, and you should state this, either within your post, or within your signature.

Images posted here should conform with the general forum guidelines. Image sizes should not exceed 950 pixels along the largest side (height or width) and typically no more than four images per post or thread.

Please also ensure that you have a meaningful location included in your profile. Please refer to the FAQ for details of what "meaningful" is.

Some nighttime sports shots

Postby losfp on Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:58 pm

How do you guys who shoot sports at night handle the conditions? It seems that either I get quite a lot of grain, or if I attack the photo with noise ninja, it ends up looking artificial (example here).

These ones were shot during the reserves game, at ISO 1100, 1/400, f/2.8

Image
Image
Image

Full gallery here - http://losfp.smugmug.com/gallery/2939769

I consciously decided that I would not use any noise reduction OR sharpening, just levels and WB, so that I wouldn't end up with the fake plastic look that over-use of NR gives you. What do you all think - acceptable or not? I guess they are not really portfolio quality, but I've seen worse on the back page of papers :)
User avatar
losfp
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1572
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:45 pm
Location: Quakers Hill, Sydney

Postby Pehpsi on Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:50 pm

They look good to me. You've captured some good action here. I can't really tell how noisy they are from these sizes, but i can understand you don't want to sharpen to keep the grain as low as possible.

Colour and exposure looks good though.

When i shoot racing at night i never want to go above iso 400, but once i look at the histogram i realize i have no choice and end up having to use 1000 or 1250, but if i nail the exposure it can look ok.

I think the shot you used NoiseNinja on looks great, not too artificial for me. But if you're not happy with it, try playing with the settings and getting a balance of less grain and natural.
Nikon D70
12-24 DX, 18-70 DX, 70-200 VR

20" iMac Intel C2D
Aperture 2.1
PS CS3

http://www.jamesrobertphotography.com
User avatar
Pehpsi
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1418
Joined: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:24 pm
Location: Kingsgrove, Sydney

Postby Killakoala on Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:58 pm

Unfortunately you will have to live with the noise, unless you get a Canon 1Dmk2 thingy. If you nail the exposure, the noise will be more forgiving.

Slight overexposure will be easier to recover than underexposure, which will give more noise after you've post-processed it a bit.

Alternatively, a VR lens will help if you're not already using one.

Canon's are generally better with noise but will soften an image a bit more than a Nikon, which is sharper but has more noise. It's all a compromise between noise and clarity.

Maybe a try with a Fuji S5 might be in order. :)

Now try that with a D2H then tell me YOU'VE got noise issues. :) :) :)
Steve.
|D700| D2H | F5 | 70-200VR | 85 1.4 | 50 1.4 | 28-70 | 10.5 | 12-24 | SB800 |
Website-> http://www.stevekilburn.com
Leeds United for promotion in 2014 - Hurrah!!!
User avatar
Killakoala
Senior Member
 
Posts: 5398
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:31 pm
Location: Southland NZ

Postby losfp on Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:40 pm

Thanks for the feedback guys :)

The noise is really only a problem in the dark backgrounds, or if you are pixel peeping. At web resolutions, or I reckon even in print, the problem is not so great. I guess the old saying is true - better a noisy, sharp image than a noiseless, blurry one :)
User avatar
losfp
Senior Member
 
Posts: 1572
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:45 pm
Location: Quakers Hill, Sydney


Return to Image Reviews and Critiques

cron