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Here are 2 shots Wendell asked me to post.
Both Hand held, of the top of the wings of the SOH!
100% Crop


This is 1600 ISO , 1/10s, f/3.5


This is 800 ISO , 1/13s, f/3.5

It may be the fact that i've had a little bit too much to drink or it might be the fact that England have just narrowly won their opening game but i'm not sure what you're asking here Ad.

can't believe it the d50 has better noise handling capabilities than the d2x

iso 800 is quite noisy on the d2x for low light situations

Even the D2Hs has less noise than the D2X at high iso values

One thing about the D200 which I love is that the noise only appears as grain while almost all other cameras I've used the noise appears as coloured mottley grain.

1/200 f2.8 ISO800 D2X 100% crop

medium intensity lighting from a spot



however when the lighting is cranked up ISO 800 is o.k



and at iso 1600 - low light

wendellt please bring your new girl frend to the next mini meet so we can all meet her LOZ

I can play this game too

D200 ISO 800 100% crop (can't find any 1600 pics) no PP at all

D2x shot is a little underexposed in comparison?

Yeah the D50 puts out great low noise - even in jpeg.

The strong point about the D2x is it doesn't contain much chroma noise - like the D200. It just looks like grain. The D2x has less chroma noise at high ISO than Canon's flagships.

And who really cares about screen display anyway. I have never noticed noise in any of my printed D2x shots. All you see is the stock (paper) fibres! It only bugs me if I look at it at 100% on screen!

Isn't printing where it counts anyway?

Heath Bennett wrote:D2x shot is a little underexposed in comparison?

Yeah the D50 puts out great low noise - even in jpeg.

The strong point about the D2x is it doesn't contain much chroma noise - like the D200. It just looks like grain. The D2x has less chroma noise at high ISO than Canon's flagships.

And who really cares about screen display anyway. I have never noticed noise in any of my printed D2x shots. All you see is the stock (paper) fibres! It only bugs me if I look at it at 100% on screen!

Isn't printing where it counts anyway?

I think this is for discussion purposes rather than arguments sake.

Yeah fair point.

I just think this kind of thing is a little over discussed for little reason.

heath i'm not complaining
just impressed with the new noise handling features of the new nikon cameras the D50

canon 1ds MarkII users can shoot comfortably at ISO 1200 with little noise i have seen the results

when underexposed noise is more noticable

Most of the time when I see a noisy image I also find that I'm looking at an image that is somewhat underexposed. The first of the images that Wendell has posted here is exactly a case in point, whereas his second image - where he comments that the lighting "has been cranked up" is not underexposed.

In this case we have the equation of more light = more light for a better exposure.

But I fail to see what the fuss is about anyway: if it's a case of noisy shot vs no shot, guess who gets to go home with the job completed?

Michael, I'm going to have to steal that D200 for some shooting at The Empire, where the lighting is prodominately red, and thus makes available light shooting with the D70 a real PITA.

gstark wrote:Most of the time when I see a noisy image I also find that I'm looking at an image that is somewhat underexposed. The first of the images that Wendell has posted here is exactly a case in point, whereas his second image - where he comments that the lighting "has been cranked up" is not underexposed.

In this case we have the equation of more light = more light for a better exposure.

But I fail to see what the fuss is about anyway: if it's a case of noisy shot vs no shot, guess who gets to go home with the job completed?

Michael, I'm going to have to steal that D200 for some shooting at The Empire, where the lighting is prodominately red, and thus makes available light shooting with the D70 a real PITA.

He he, The D200 much to my durprise does handle reds very well!

wendellt wrote:heath i'm not complaining
just impressed with the new noise handling features of the new nikon cameras the D50

canon 1ds MarkII users can shoot comfortably at ISO 1200 with little noise i have seen the results

when underexposed noise is more noticable

I find myself worrying about noise a little too much myself - but make myself feel better by saying "in my prints it is never a problem"!

Here is where I got my information on Chroma noise: (from Phil Askey's review of the 5D, dpreview):

"This is what I was The EOS 5D exhibited slightly lower chroma noise (colored speckles) than both the EOS-1Ds Mark II and EOS 20D, although couldn't match the D2X which has a more monochromatic appearance to noise."

Interesting comparison, while the D50 is oh so cheap right now... it's tempting to get one and then a D200 or something later on...