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				Does this 'work' for anyone?
				
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Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:57 pmby xerubus
				Here's a different perspective on an engagement shot.... does it work for you?  I like it, purely for the fact that it's not something you see everyday and a different way to look at your engagement.  The client hated it, but each to their own.
What do you think?
http://www.nikonaustralia.com/gallery/People/DSC3316 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:01 pmby dooda
				I like that it's different, and relative to cliched stuff it works, but I don't know if I really like the photograph...basically I'm saying it doesn't really work for me. Maybe if the faces were a little more in focus, they are just so drastically out of focus.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:03 pmby MATT
				I agree with dooda, A bit more focus on the faces would be nice
It actually made my eyes hurt looking at it 
 
 
MATT
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:03 pmby xerubus
				thanks for the input dooda.... perhaps it's an artsy side i like... not sure...
i think if it was at f4 or 6 the client would have liked it... but they were the same as you... too blurry... good idea.. but too blurry...
cheers
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:04 pmby W00DY
				Hmmm, good to try something different. 
I am not to sure if I personally like it, I think if the faces were all in focus as well as the hands it would be a great shot.
In situations like this I would think it be best to get the "safe" shot, for the couple, and then experiment.
W00DY
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:04 pmby xerubus
				thanks matt.... and sorry about the eyes  

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:06 pmby xerubus
				ta woody....  i'd finished the shots for the clients, and they were happy with what they had... but i quickly got this in before they left 

  they've actually got the same shot but at f12 (from memory), but i didn't personally like it with everything in focus...
cheers
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:14 pmby tsanglabs
				Sorry to disagree with every one else but I actually love this photo. If I was the client I would use it, very different to the traditional poses.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:14 pmby JordanP
				I quite like it - although you definitly went for the risky shot there.  You will probably find some couples that would love it heaps that wouldn't.
The number of risky shots you take depends on what you really want to do.  If you are shooting for a client to get sales .... then throw in a few but make sure there are plenty of safe winners as well.
I often play with DOF in portrait work but usually not from shuch a close perspective.  Well done for experimenting.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:14 pmby sirhc55
				As it stands I am not enamoured with this shot, but if I could make a suggestion. I would have shot higher concentrating on the hands being together and had the engagement ring in sharp focus and then in 
PS placed a small star burst on the edge of the diamond. The other way would have been to use a wide angle such as the 12-24 and had both the two people and the hands in sharp focus as an extended perspective.
Chris
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:18 pmby xerubus
				thankyou for the comments guys... much appreciated...
chris... you are making it very hard for me... another lens i'll need to convince my wife i 'need'  
 
cheers
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:19 pmby MattC
				Interesting.
The first place that my eyes went was to the OOF faces. I had to look for the hand and engagement ring.  Maybe if the hand was a little higher in the frame and faces were not quite so OOF.
Cheers
Matt
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:19 pmby jdear
				hey Xerubus, 
love your image! - works for me!
I know exacttly what you mean, I did something similar (forgive poor resolution / size) for my friends engagement invitation... 
 
throwing them out of focus looks so much more dramatic in your photo! Well done!
JD
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:23 pmby W00DY
				jdear wrote:hey Xerubus, 
love your image! - works for me!
I know exacttly what you mean, I did something similar (forgive poor resolution / size) for my friends engagement invitation... 

throwing them out of focus looks so much more dramatic in your photo! Well done!
JD
 
This is a very novel idea for an invitation... The couple in a toilet  
 
 
W00DY
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:25 pmby sirhc55
				jdear - I like your shot because it has a focal point (engaged) and this is what I was trying to say re xerubus’s photo and the ring.
Xerubus - as has been said before you have a beautiful wife and I am sure she will allow a little lens lust.
 
 
 
Chris
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:25 pmby JordanP
				very creative jdear.  I like it  

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:26 pmby xerubus
				jd... that's thinking outside the square... well done...
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:28 pmby jdear
				thanks, sorry didnt mean to hijack your thread 
 
you wouldn't believe the "toilet" humour that came out of it... they loved it though. 
They weren't quite in the toilet, i opened the door a little so the engaged sign was visible.
JD
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:00 pmby Greg B
				Hey xerubus, you should have given them the boke(h) talk - veerrry mysterious, cutting edge in photography, highly sought after, requires great skill, some lenses better than others, etc etc   
 
   
   
   
 
Seriously, I can see why the client might not have been keen on your artistic approach. It's all about them, and if they're all bokehed up, well, it could be anybody. I think engagement/wedding photos need to be primarily record shots. If you can do that in an artistic context, OK, but if the artistic overrides the record, I think you will be struggling to have a happy client.
Just one man's opinion xerubus. It is a totally different issue to the quality of the photography.  

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:11 pmby xerubus
				thankyou greg... and much appreciated....
I just find the normal yadda yadda pose sooooo boring...  

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:17 pmby Greg B
				xerubus wrote:thankyou greg... and much appreciated....
I just find the normal yadda yadda pose sooooo boring...  

 
Yep, and I find driving a desk boring too.  
 
 
I know what you mean Mark, but even van Gogh used to paint houses to make money
(OK that's stupid, but I couldn't help it)  

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:35 pmby mudder
				G'day,
I really like the idea, something different, although I first looked at the faces and then down to the hands...
I think Chris' terrific idea of a starburst affect on the ring to grab your initial attention would make a big difference but really like the idea though, something different from all the same photo's just with different faces in them for each couple, very artistic and something individual too... Wow, wish I had your creative mind to think of those sorts of things... sigh...
Cheers,
Mudder
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:53 pmby kurokaze204
				For what it's worth I like it too.  What lens did you use?
Really love #11 as well.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:59 pmby xerubus
				kurokaze204 wrote:For what it's worth I like it too.  What lens did you use?
Really love #11 as well.
50mm f1.8... great lens... it's cheap... get one!  
 
i don't like the framing in #11.... i'm working on a new site at the moment, and that shot is heavily cropped to show more of the subject than the tree....
cheers
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:50 pmby meicw
				Xerebus. I loved it.  Its different,, and I really like the concentration on the hands and the ring.  Isn't this what an engagement is?  The ring 'binding' the hands together.
Regards
Meic
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:01 pmby xerubus
				thanks meic... i'm glad you enjoyed the shot...
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:07 pmby Glen
				Xerebus, I like it and like the concept. I would have made the ring more visible and would make a nice 2nd division shot in the album to show the ring off. To be honest, if you want to sell the photo, ask who their jeweller is and ring him up, now he would love it!
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:11 pmby xerubus
				thankyou glen.... 
btw... my wife is the jeweller, and I gave her a few macro shots of the ring prior to it going to the happy couple  
