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Moment of Impact!

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:06 pm
by Cre8tivepixels
Took this tonight.....while a mate had a shot at the driving range.....pure fluke.

Image

Cheers
dan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:09 pm
by big pix
Pure photoshop........... I would rotate the ball layer so it is not heading for the moon.........

....... when a golf ball is hit it will distort and stay distorted for some distance........ spent 2 days shooting golf balls

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:23 pm
by Cre8tivepixels
This IS NOT photo shopped....the shutter speed was down to 1/160th very slow....appature @ 5 from memory......looks wierd to me as well but thats how it came out.

I was expecting a contorted ball as well.....but with the slow shutter speed and NOT forgeting the "rear" flash thats how it turned out!

And it was a wedgeshot so it was heading for the moon......lol

Cheers

Dan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:26 pm
by colin_12
This is a wild shot Dan. How many did you take before you got this?
Regards Colin

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:28 pm
by Cre8tivepixels
colin_12 wrote:This is a wild shot Dan. How many did you take before you got this?
Regards Colin


Plenty...lol and it was with the slowest buffer related CF Card and my D70s as i was collecting it from a mate and we decided to head off to the range.

Dan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:08 pm
by Big V
I am confused here, If it was rear flash, then the ball should be frozen after it has been hit and the club face would have reflected the light from the flash, being silver in colour, it would have most definately shown up. Please enlighten me as I hate being confused..

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:11 pm
by Cre8tivepixels
Big V wrote:I am confused here, If it was rear flash, then the ball should be frozen after it has been hit and the club face would have reflected the light from the flash, being silver in colour, it would have most definately shown up. Please enlighten me as I hate being confused..


I am as confused as well as checking my Exif data it WASNT one that had the flash go off (i took many all different ways).....so i can only put it down to the slow (checked this time - not relied on memory) that it was the 1/125 shutter speed that did it...take it all leave it.....lol :)

Dan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:27 pm
by Cre8tivepixels
double post sorry

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:28 pm
by big pix
me too...... as the ball has been frozen by the flash, so where is the club, as this also should have have some light reflection as well........ the light on the ball is coming from the right and a little above, see highlight on the ball which should have put light on the club, and a shadow of sorts on the ground, being a wedge, that is a big shadow ....... too many straight lines

and NOT forgeting the "rear" flash......... so where is the shadow from the rear flash or was it a heavy defused one......... pull the other leg

would like to see the metadata for the image

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:33 pm
by Cre8tivepixels
big pix wrote:me too...... as the ball has been frozen by the flash, so where is the club, as this also should have have some light reflection as well........ the light on the ball is coming from the right and a little above, see highlight on the ball which should have put light on the club, and a shadow of sorts on the ground, being a wedge, that is a big shadow ....... too many straight lines

and NOT forgeting the "rear" flash......... so where is the shadow from the rear flash or was it a heavy defused one......... pull the other leg

would like to see the metadata for the image


Metta data on the way....but really i couldnt be bothered as if you think its photoshopped than thats what you think....i took and i know what i did.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:43 pm
by Cre8tivepixels
Photo;Date and Time;Exp. Time;F/Stop;Exp. Program;Exp. Bias;Metering Mode;Light Source;Flash;Focal Length;Focal Length (35 mm);ISO Speed;Orientation;Dimensions;File Size;Path

DSC_1794;27/02/2007 5:33:44 PM;1/125;5;Manual;0;Pattern;Unknown;Not fired;70.0;-;400;Normal;2717 x 1764;3577 KB;C:\Documents and Settings\Danial Gowans\My Documents\My Pictures\Monthly Pics\DSC_1794.jpg

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:46 pm
by big pix
Cre8tivepixels wrote:Photo;Date and Time;Exp. Time;F/Stop;Exp. Program;Exp. Bias;Metering Mode;Light Source;Flash;Focal Length;Focal Length (35 mm);ISO Speed;Orientation;Dimensions;File Size;Path

DSC_1794;27/02/2007 5:33:44 PM;1/125;5;Manual;0;Pattern;Unknown;Not fired;70.0;-;400;Normal;2717 x 1764;3577 KB;C:\Documents and Settings\Danial Gowans\My Documents\My Pictures\Monthly Pics\DSC_1794.jpg


an image with the data attached would be much better...... so it can be read from the image

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:55 pm
by Cre8tivepixels
big pix wrote:
Cre8tivepixels wrote:Photo;Date and Time;Exp. Time;F/Stop;Exp. Program;Exp. Bias;Metering Mode;Light Source;Flash;Focal Length;Focal Length (35 mm);ISO Speed;Orientation;Dimensions;File Size;Path

DSC_1794;27/02/2007 5:33:44 PM;1/125;5;Manual;0;Pattern;Unknown;Not fired;70.0;-;400;Normal;2717 x 1764;3577 KB;C:\Documents and Settings\Danial Gowans\My http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/4045 ... gDocuments\My Pictures\Monthly Pics\DSC_1794.jpg


an image with the data attached would be much better...... so it can be read from the image


How do i do this....when i try to save the image in CS3 it removes the meta data?

How do i keep it with the image? (what setting is it)

Anyone who knows my photography knows i am NOT afraid to use Photoshop.....but i say so if i do :)


Dan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:58 pm
by Big V
Your description does not in any way match what you have provided here, nor does the image match your description. I and any other experienced photgrapher can see that. I dont care if your exposure was 1/15th of a second, had you used flash, the short duration of the flash would have frozen the club - simple, if it had enough light to illuminate the ball it had enough to illuminate the highly reflective club!!!! If you did not fire the flash, which is what the metadata seems to show, how come the feet are so sharp, every time I have seen a golfer play a shot, there is rotation through the hips which means the feet have to pivot slightly yet I see no evidence of this in the photograph..this means your friend must have swung slowly so as not to rotate through the hips and the flash did not fire. Please be careful when answering peoples queries becuase they are trying to learn and improve their photogrpahy - simple mistake or not, you have caused confusion to others and this is not necessary. So my take on this - slow speed, flash does not fire, wristed golf shot and given those conditions you could have your shot but I am still concerned about the white bluring before the shaft on the left hand side of the image, not sure why a wedge would give that effect as the head is more or less inline with the shaft and here it seems to be far behind, wedges do not flex like drivers do and the lack of feet movement indicate there was not much power delivered in this shot.. I analyze sports biomechanics as part of my job, so this is why I am curious and asked the original question..Dont take it the wrong way, just dont like confusion..:)

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:22 am
by Cre8tivepixels
Big V wrote:Your description does not in any way match what you have provided here, nor does the image match your description. I and any other experienced photgrapher can see that. I dont care if your exposure was 1/15th of a second, had you used flash, the short duration of the flash would have frozen the club - simple, if it had enough light to illuminate the ball it had enough to illuminate the highly reflective club!!!! If you did not fire the flash, which is what the metadata seems to show, how come the feet are so sharp, every time I have seen a golfer play a shot, there is rotation through the hips which means the feet have to pivot slightly yet I see no evidence of this in the photograph..this means your friend must have swung slowly so as not to rotate through the hips and the flash did not fire. Please be careful when answering peoples queries becuase they are trying to learn and improve their photogrpahy - simple mistake or not, you have caused confusion to others and this is not necessary. So my take on this - slow speed, flash did not fire, wristed golf shot and given those conditions you have your shot!!!


Thankyou.....so much pain for a simple post. :D

If i was going to spend hours wasting my precious time in photoshop i would choose a more interesting subject let me assure you.

Dan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:25 am
by Big V
Dan, just trying to get an answer to a legitimate question as I have indicated in the above post - Just wanting to clear up the confusion, that is all..maybe you could post the shot where the flash did fire so I can see the difference..

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:31 am
by Cre8tivepixels
No worries......all taken on board.....the shot where the flash fired didnt even capture the ball or club....i just remembered using it. If as you say you study this sort of thing, i am happy to send you the original untouched Jpeg through your email or the like??

I also believe it or not holed a pitching wedge 95m out...slam dunk straight in.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:02 am
by Bob G
I'd suggest it is probably fine sand.

Not unusual to see a tee propelled backward and sand has probably done something similar when the club hit the turf.

Just a guess


Bob G

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:06 am
by Cre8tivepixels
It was actually water, the synthetic grass was wet. Honestly though.....i would just say if it had been photoshopped?

I have the original and am willing to send it to anyone (untouched) that wants it?

Dan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:10 am
by big pix
Cre8tivepixels wrote:It was actually water, the synthetic grass was wet. Honestly though.....i would just say if it had been photoshopped?

I have the original and am willing to send it to anyone (untouched) that wants it?

Dan


here would be good......

bgphoto@bigpond.com.au

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:14 am
by Cre8tivepixels
big pix wrote:
Cre8tivepixels wrote:It was actually water, the synthetic grass was wet. Honestly though.....i would just say if it had been photoshopped?

I have the original and am willing to send it to anyone (untouched) that wants it?

Dan


here would be good......

bgphoto@bigpond.com.au


Its on its way.....

Dan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:46 am
by Raskill
Jeez, a little bit of cynicism here.....

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:52 am
by gstark
Children ...

Play nicely please ... :)

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:07 am
by big pix
I will have a close look at this when I get back as I am packing for a weeks shoot in Queensland........ If the image is as shot, well done, but.......

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:14 am
by Cre8tivepixels
big pix wrote:I will have a close look at this when I get back as I am packing for a weeks shoot in Queensland........ If the image is as shot, well done, but.......


There is no BUT........this is just so silly its not funny.


Its a single shot guys ....get over it. :) :wink:

Cheers
Dan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:23 am
by Kyle
I give no care for how it was done/created...

I just like it, simple. :)

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:01 am
by Glen
Dan, nice image. Next time you play you may be tempted to give the range a 6x4, let them know the A3 version is available at a price :wink:

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:39 am
by Cre8tivepixels
Glen wrote:Dan, nice image. Next time you play you may be tempted to give the range a 6x4, let them know the A3 version is available at a price :wink:


Hey nice idea...........i want my Hole in One plaque as well :wink:

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:52 pm
by admajic
Great Shot there.

To the people who couldn't see the club or the club head. Get a grip!! Can u see the individual spokes on the tyre or a of a car or a bike that is moving at 5km an hour? I think u owe this guy an apology.

U cant see the club head as it is blurred. See the blurry white stuff thing in the background between the shoes. That is the club, its whitish in colour. Its as blurred as the trajectory of the yellow ball. Its not water spray its the club head.

Well done!

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:57 pm
by dawesy
The shot is pretty cool I think.

Surprised by some of the carry on. Accepting that you made a genuine error regarding the flash, I don't see the issue. The ball has not been frozen by any flash, it's been stationary while the club head has moved back and forward before hitting it. Ergo the ball is obviously clearer in the middle.

Comments were made that the ball should be elongated after being hit, to my eye the streak is narrower than the radius of the ball, which would be the result of just such a distortion.

The club shaft should bent. That's great, but the only possible place to see that is on the right edge, as it won't be bent at the back of the back swing and in all other spaces it is blurred as it comes through. Look at that edge, it's soft as all hell, as you'd expect. It's no surprise you can't see it to me.

OK, so the feet are sharp, there is also some evidence that the head of the club turned back a bit during the shot. So maybe it was a wrist shot, maybe is was a gentle shot to let the photg get his shot, which would also help explain the apparent lack of bend in the shaft. I doubt I'd remember the exact situation for each shot if I sat there taking a bunch of photos of the same thing either.

Anyway, seems like a pretty tough crowd on this one.

Cheers.

[EDITed spelling mistake.]

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:16 pm
by Cre8tivepixels
I sent them a copy of the original and funny that i havent heard back?

Thanks to the last few posters....ur right i took many and couldnt remember exact details of everyshot...this was my olny error.

Cheers
Dan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:12 pm
by Big V
I was not sent nor asked for the original shot as I have deduced what went on after reading the exif data which was posted.. the original confusion was borne out of the statement "rear curtain flash" and how the ball was sharp on the tee but not at the end of the exposure, it was never about the club shaft being blurred, .once it was established the flash did not fire, problem solved, although I am still perplexed by the sharp feet especially if he is hitting the ball 95m, so a lot of wristing going on and thats cool..the water explains the shape to the left, so be it. Note this was a result of mis-information provided by Dan in response to a legitimate question..all sorted now :)

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:16 pm
by Cre8tivepixels
Big V wrote:I was not sent nor asked for the original shot as I have deduced what went on after reading the exif data which was posted.. the original confusion was borne out of the statement "rear curtain flash"..once it was established the flash did not fire, problem solved, although I am still perplexed by the sharp feet especially if he is hitting the ball 95m, so a lot of wristing going on and thats cool..the water explains the shape to the left, so be it.

The 95m pitch shot was ME....totaly different shot.....read my comments a little better. How could i take a photo of myself?

Subjest is closed for me (way to much attention for a nothing shot) :D

Dan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:20 pm
by Big V
Timer, wireless remote

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:03 pm
by SteveGriffin
Forget the hecklers! Print it, Frame it and Sell it! There are a gozillion golf nuts out there who would love that shot on the wall

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:48 pm
by CraigVTR
Great shot Dan. I do not doubt it authenticity.

Is your mate a good golfer? I would have expected to see more weight on the left foot at that point of the swing, unless it was a wristy chip.

As the others said, sell it! :D

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:58 pm
by Cre8tivepixels
CraigVTR wrote:Great shot Dan. I do not doubt it authenticity.

Is your mate a good golfer? I would have expected to see more weight on the left foot at that point of the swing, unless it was a wristy chip.

As the others said, sell it! :D


Lol....no not at all......thats why there is no transfer of weight between feet..lol

Still life in the old dog yet (the thread that is)

Dan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:59 pm
by PiroStitch
I guess this is art at its finest then - generating heaps of debate and critics ;)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:48 pm
by Colcam
PiroStitch wrote:I guess this is art at its finest then - generating heaps of debate and critics ;)

I agree.
:lol: :lol: :lol: I have enjoy a big chuckle over this thread as I had it figured the moment I saw it. Obviously slow shutter, available light, moving club and ball(AFTER it was hit) etc. You guys are too much into complexity.
Now Dan, let's see what else you can shoot to stir the mob?. Makes us all sit up & take notice. What can you do with a bow & arrow? :D
Well done my friend
Col

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:42 pm
by Dargan
Surprising no one asked what lens. I am assuming it was your 18-200 at 35. Err... was VR on :shock:

I think you are living up to your name and applaud the creative outcome. However it occured its one of those lucky images, print it and frame it. Its a good one. :D :D

PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:14 am
by Cre8tivepixels
Dargan wrote:Surprising no one asked what lens. I am assuming it was your 18-200 at 35. Err... was VR on :shock:

I think you are living up to your name and applaud the creative outcome. However it occured its one of those lucky images, print it and frame it. Its a good one. :D :D

Kit lens 18-70mm :)