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lingerie for critique please

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:30 pm
by Oz_Beachside
hello,
havent posted much lately, been working hard, lots of shoots, and learning lots about studio lighting. I have been asked to do a very special project for someone, and I would really appreciate your feedback. this shot is out of the camera, with an unsharp mask applied. thanks in advance to wendell for strong and clear feedback in the past around posing and direction, wayne and leigh for comments on color. all others who have given me feedback, you are helping me improve! (still many miss hits on focus, need to check more about the D200 technical settings, but USM helps)...

looking for overall feedback, is this quality of image good, bad, other...?

sincere thanks in advance,
Bruce.

Image

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:47 pm
by wendellt
i'm sure i always gave ou advice on lightign techniques too

i can see here your lighting from the side one main softbox and a profile light on the side,

all elements in the body are good id just work on the expressions a little the model has to feel desirable i don't read that from the expression best to work on your rapport with the model make her feel like one bad ass million dollar girl and she will shine, thats the trick trust and rapport

anyway this image is oen of the best examples from you it shows growth well done

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:52 pm
by Oz_Beachside
wendellt wrote:i'm sure i always gave ou advice on lightign techniques too...

...make her feel like one bad ass million dollar girl and she will shine...


thanks heaps, yes, lots of tips on lighting, and I am very grateful :-)

what would one say to bring out that "one bad ass million dollar girl"?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:58 pm
by wendellt
just get her confidence
flirt with her do whatever it takes

if you ever watch a photoshoot
the photogrpaher is always talking to the model modelling is like acting get her to roll play then youll get better poses and expressions than just setting her up statically

the best fashion togs can get a girl feeling like number 1 and when that happens, magic follows

she needs more attitude in the expression or more sultryness

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:39 am
by !~DeViNe~DaRkNeSs~!
wendellt wrote:flirt with her do whatever it takes

man thatd be hard to do lol :roll:
Excellent pic Bruce. only thing im not sure on is teh darkish background sorta blends her skin a bit with an overall brownish look ... i dunno
Excellent by all means!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:20 pm
by Oz_Beachside
thanks, I appreciate your feedback.

if I push the exposure a little, I get better seperation, but i like the colors. very warm.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:47 am
by DebT
Hi,
nice enough photo of a girl in lingerie :) but my eyes were drawn to the following distractions the lighting produced.
Dont like the harsh shadows from top light on the collar bones.
Lighting on the chest does the trick of centering the focus but looks a bit lopsided - the curve edge is well defined on one side so try and duplicate on the other with light placement or model angle to remove the dark smudge and highlight the curve (also helped with push up style bra)
There are a couple of diagonal shadows under the bra which would be better gone or softened.
:( Really Don't like the harsh indent shadow on the left inner thigh muscle and the shadow on the curve closest to the knicker line - both very unflattering - Would suggest a diffused soft light placed on the floor tilted up (or ask model to tilt pelvic floor area slightly forward which could be a bit too personal)

As an outsider looking at the photo I can't see what message you are trying to portray - it all looks a bit flat, static, and posed. It doesn't say either 'hubba hubba' or lingerie add :?:

Overall facial expression says tension and 'I'd rather be anywhere else' so try to relax the whole shoot, more fun and movement would produce a more natural shot.
Perhaps a small fan to get movement in the hair ?? and music to lighten the mood

DebT

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:58 am
by Oz_Beachside
DebT wrote:Hi,
nice enough photo of a girl in lingerie :) but my eyes were drawn to the following distractions the lighting produced.
Dont like the harsh shadows from top light on the collar bones.
Lighting on the chest does the trick of centering the focus but looks a bit lopsided - the curve edge is well defined on one side so try and duplicate on the other with light placement or model angle to remove the dark smudge and highlight the curve (also helped with push up style bra)
There are a couple of diagonal shadows under the bra which would be better gone or softened.
:( Really Don't like the harsh indent shadow on the left inner thigh muscle and the shadow on the curve closest to the knicker line - both very unflattering - Would suggest a diffused soft light placed on the floor tilted up (or ask model to tilt pelvic floor area slightly forward which could be a bit too personal)

As an outsider looking at the photo I can't see what message you are trying to portray - it all looks a bit flat, static, and posed. It doesn't say either 'hubba hubba' or lingerie add :?:

Overall facial expression says tension and 'I'd rather be anywhere else' so try to relax the whole shoot, more fun and movement would produce a more natural shot.
Perhaps a small fan to get movement in the hair ?? and music to lighten the mood

DebT


thats great feedback. thanks for taking the time to give so much detail. I like many of your suggestions for PP, and for actual changes.

I'll keep all of that in mind when I shoot with her again on saturday.

thank you :D

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:35 am
by team piggy
Oz_Beachside wrote:what would one say to bring out that "one bad ass million dollar girl"?


Here's a free unlimited credit card .... :wink:

On a serious note, the background blended abit much for me too.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:42 pm
by Cre8tivepixels
hey Bruce......

Her face looks soft to me, i have struggled with this my self, it must come down to slight movement and slower shutter speeds.....i thought it was my lens at first......lol.........what lens was this shot with..?

I also think the background blends a little too much as well, its a fine line there.......her heal is also a distraction again i have been trying to hide there heals behind the legs.....heals are not attractive..specially cracked ones....lol

Nice work all, the same!!

Dan

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:03 pm
by Oz_Beachside
thanks dan.

I wanted to get the background soft like this, and to do that, I chose a longer focal length (used a 70-200, around 135mm), and f3.2 I think, which was too narrow, so missed the eyes.

I should have moved the background back some...

I like the blending to the background, it was designed to be soft like this (except the eyes).

cheers!

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:03 pm
by Matt. K
Bruce
Nice image! Your work constantly improves. A couple of suggestions....The background is a bit fussy, try something more classical or stick with plain blue/gray, and watch the speration. The composition at the bottom of the frame weakens the image slightly. Take great care where you cut limbs, if you must cut them at all. Don't let those lines pull the eye out of the image space. She's a great model and I think she will improve even more as she becomes more accustomed to your work style.