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O.K. I have done a couple of things to see if I can get this right

I know everybody must be sick of this by now, but the quicker I can get this right, the less I'll have to bother people with this rubbish.

Now, this yellow rose looks perfect in colour & brightness on my Monitor, please tell me it looks that way on yours.

Thanks Mic.

Looks fine Mic

On my monitor it seems to have just a touch of green in it. In PS I changed the colour balance by -5 green and it looked better. You might get many different replies to this.

Mic,

The rose looks okay although I am unsure as to how bright/contrasty it should be. I do not know how much of the background I should be able to see. I am viewing it on two different monitors, both of which are calibrated and profiled.

You mentioned in the other thread that you are set up for Adobe1998. Just curious as to what you meant by that. Is that the profile that you are using for your monitor (which should not be the case) or were you referring to that as your working colour space in PS?

Cheers

Matt

An interesting point here Mic is that of all the pics I have posted, to the best of my recollection, no one has ever said that my images are too dark. My monitor is set for 1.8 gamma due to the fact that I produce a lot of pics for publication and I am too lazy to change it.

O.K. lads,

I have set the working colour space in PS to Adobe 1998
I have adjusted my Gamma to 2.2

Is this right or wrong ?

Thanks,
Mic.

Mic,

Right so far.

What is happening in the colour management tab of display properties?

Matt

Where that Matt ?

I'm on a MAC.

Hi Mic,

It looks a little dark on my PC system. I have no clue about how a Mac is set up for the web though. At risk of repeating old news, here's a link to a monitor gamma image that has worked pretty well for me. It's quite similar to the same grayscale patch used on a lot of sites.

http://www.jasc.com/support/kb/articles/monitor.asp

Mic your flower looks OK om my G5 Mac running at 1.8 gamma, but the background is a little dark

hopes this helps

big pix

How about skin tones then ?

Looks fine to me, Max

Oh Crap! I thought you were on a PC.

I'll leave it to someone who knows Macs. Where I was going with this is this: Have you inappropriately/inadvertently applied a profile for your monitor (for example aRGB)? Monitor profiles are unique for each monitor. The closest available profiles will be those made by the monitor manufacturer and would be available with the display driver or for download from the vendors web site. This is usually only for high end monitors. BTW, for others who have looked at this image in their non colour space aware browsers (ie PC), this image needs to be saved and opened in PS as it is in aRGB. The difference is substantial.

Matt

Thanks everyone,

I think I'm close, I wont be able to get it perfect, everybody will have a slight difference.

I'll call it quits before I go mad & send everybody with me to the looney Bin.

Thanks,

Mic.

Mic it looks fine - and such a big smile

Finish the red and go to bed for tomorrow is another day - oh crap

mic

Buy a Spyder maybe........

Had a good look at the skin tones, balance of RGB values look spot on.

Cheers

Matt

If you're trying to get your calibration / settings right, why don't you take pics of some common items. e.g. a can of baked beans, can of coke, a carton of milk... something we all might have in our cupboards...

It's a little difficult to tell you if the colours are off when we haven't seen the subject in real life... Just a thought...

Hi Mic,

You can also hire a spider. If you have an LCD monitor it will deteriorate slower than a CRT, so a once-off calibration will last quite a while. Hire cost is around $50.

Are you running Mac OSX?

Alistair

Mic

Both images look fine on my PC. My monitor (as you're probably aware by now ) is calibrated

Mic,

I think all is good now. I hope raising the issue has helped for all your upcoming posts!

Marcus

ps always remember to make sure your handbag and shoes match!

Skintones looks OK to me colourwise. Maybe just a wee bit under-saturated but they may have been the lighting. Somebody mentioned taking pics of subjects with controlled colours. That is a very good idea. Try a Coke can and a Kodak film box and a couple of boxes of products out of the kitchen and put them together and photograph them. Match your monitor to match the object colours as closely as possible.

Thank you to all who have tried to help me out with this long drawn out saga.

Here is an image which everybody should know how it should look for checking of Colour. Straight out of my D70 No PP.

Yes Marcus, I am in debt to you for bringing this to my attention & I am sorry I had a go at you starting a useless Thread
I owe you a beer, when & if ever we meet ( I'll have to put on the Lippy )

Mic.

Good Idea Leek about this too.
If this doesn't work, that sounds like a good idea of Hireing a Spyder.

Anyone please ?

Does colour look fine to you ?

Thanks,

Mic.

mic

The colour looks fine. The image is dull, but that's how any D70 image will often look straight out of the camera witht he deault curve. I saved and loaded this in PSCS and the PSCS image looks the same (notice you are still embedding adobeRGB - as you know browsers will have problems with this as they always use sRGB).

There is another issue you haven't covered with this last image and that is that once you start to do PP to make the image look "better" your changes are based on the appearance on your monitor. Depending on how well your monitor is calibrated what looks good on your monitor could be way off. For example if your monitor is bluer than the average and you visually adjust skin tones in a picture so they're just right and someone with a properly calibrated monitor views the image then the skin tones will have a yellow cast (since there's less blue in the mix on the calibrated system).

Does this make sense. If so I'd do a PP'd image and test that too.

Peter - as I have stated before all of my pics posted are Adobe RGB and I don’t seem to have any problems in doing this

Mind you I never post any pic straight out of the camera - there is always some form of PP to be done.

sirhc55 wrote:Peter - as I have stated before all of my pics posted are Adobe RGB and I don’t seem to have any problems in doing this

Mind you I never post any pic straight out of the camera - there is always some form of PP to be done.

Interesting Chris and both you and mic are Mac users. Too small a sample to call it a pattern, but...

Mic,

An site you might find interesting for OSX screen calibration:

http://www.computer-darkroom.com/colorsync-display/colorsync_2a.htm

Also... this is a good test image that also includes greyscale etc:

http://www.xmission.com/~tsscolo/JPEG.zip

EDIT: Just found this one... a great resource for test images for screen and printer calibration testing.

http://www.hutchcolor.com/Images_and_targets.html

Alistair

Thanks Chris & Stubbsy,

Please tell me what is in your PS Colour Settings Set up >

Settings >

Working Spaces >
CMYK :
GRAY :
SPOT :

Colour Management Policies >

RGB :
CMYK :
GRAY :

Conversion Opyions >

ENGINE :
INTENT :

Avanced Controls >

DESATURATE MONITOR COLOURS BY : %

BLEND RGB COLOURS USING GAMMA :


Thanks Mic.

Thanks Al

I'll try this.
Mic.

Mic PS Colour Settings Set up >

Settings >

Working Spaces >
RGB : sRGB IEC61966-2.1
CMYK : Euroscale Coated v2
GRAY : Dot Gain 15%
SPOT : Dot Gain 15%

Colour Management Policies >

RGB : Preserve Embedded Profiles
CMYK : Preserve Embedded Profiles
GRAY : Preserve Embedded Profiles

Conversion Options >

ENGINE : Adobe (ACE)
INTENT : Relative Colorimetric

Avanced Controls >

DESATURATE MONITOR COLOURS BY : % - disabled (unchecked)

BLEND RGB COLOURS USING GAMMA : - disabled (unchecked)

Thanks Stubbsy,

I'll try and see later tonight.