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ISO 1000

Postby Slider on Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:39 pm

After some advice from a few of the friendly folk here on the forum I thought I would FORCE myself to move away from ISO 200.

These are taken with the Sigma 180 Macro using SB800 With Lightsphere at ISO 1000.

The first is a half crop and the second is a full shot. The noise was cleaned up with Neatimage plugin in Photoshop CS.

1/160s @ f/18
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1/200s @ f/18
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Postby Oneputt on Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:42 pm

Now that lens is starting to show it's worth. Very nice Mark.
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Postby big pix on Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:46 pm

great......... I want that lens......... soon
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Postby mitedo on Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:46 pm

Yes Mark they are starting to look good and a lot sharper :D you need to print them @A3+ :wink: :wink:
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Postby big pix on Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:52 pm

mitedo wrote:Yes Mark they are starting to look good and a lot sharper :D you need to print them @A3+ :wink: :wink:


he will need a good Canon A3 printer....... I am sure you can help.......
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Postby LostDingo on Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:55 pm

that is pretty amazing for ISO 1000! Can you share an image before NeatImage was used as matter of interest?
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Postby paulvdb1 on Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:21 pm

Slider - I trust your attempt to go that high in ISO was so you could get some DOF?? I note you still had some spare room with speed and could have kept to 800 or less. There are some parts where the noise reduction looks a bit funny in the first photo. The shots themselves were great - awesome close-ups.
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Postby mudder on Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:51 pm

Strweth there's some good macro/bug shots posted here... This is terrific... Those eyes!

Did you lose much detail with the NR?
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Postby Aussie Dave on Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:00 pm

Great work Mark. See, ISO can be your friend - if you let it :lol:

I'd be interested to see that shot again, only with the SB800 and ISO200.

The SB800 is one magnificent piece of lighting equipment....

How much NR did you use in NeatImage ?

Here's a tip that may be of some use - I often duplicate the background layer, then perform the NR on the copied layer. From here, you can play with the opacity so you can "dial the NR back", so to speak...

OR you can tweak the settings before hitting the "apply" button.... I find my way easier (for me anyway) :)
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Postby avkomp on Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:12 pm

really like the detail in the eyes of this one.
you can see the little hexagons now.
I noticed that the eyes were a tad hot previous to these images.
I am assuming that the lightsphere diffusing the flash has produced this.
Were your previous efforts using the lightsphere also??

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Postby nito on Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:39 pm

I rarely shoot at anything greater than ISO800, because the colours shift quite dramatically at these levels.

Your shots are very nice at ISO1000. As remarked before, the detail captured is WOW. :D
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Postby NikonUser on Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:44 pm

Aussie Dave wrote:Here's a tip that may be of some use - I often duplicate the background layer, then perform the NR on the copied layer. From here, you can play with the opacity so you can "dial the NR back", so to speak...


As an addition to that...

When using a seperate layer it is also possible to use layer masks with different opacities. That way you can eliminate the background noise completely in OOF areas where it doesn't matter if you loose some detail... then in the more detailed parts of the image you can either use no noise reduction or just a limited amount (using opacity in the mask) to get the desired nose/detail level.

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Postby Slider on Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:00 pm

LostDingo wrote:that is pretty amazing for ISO 1000! Can you share an image before NeatImage was used as matter of interest?


No problem, Here is the original untouched apart from crop.

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Thanks for all the comments and tips folks. I will have to get more familiar with layers and how to manipulate them :D Looks like some great new ideas to try out.
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Postby BBJ on Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:26 pm

WOW Mark this is great, very very well done.
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Postby avkomp on Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:43 pm

just comparing the image before and after neat image.
Is hard to imagine that they are the same image!!
Still trying to come to terms with PP in general.
I wonder if you could step thru the steps you took to get from the noisy one up to the finished article??

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Postby blacknstormy on Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:00 pm

WOW Mark - bloody brilliant - the detail in the crop is amazing!!!!
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Postby Slider on Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:41 pm

avkomp wrote:just comparing the image before and after neat image.
Is hard to imagine that they are the same image!!
Still trying to come to terms with PP in general.
I wonder if you could step thru the steps you took to get from the noisy one up to the finished article??

Steve


OK I just went through the process again to make sure of the steps.
Here you go

1. Adjusted exposure -1/2 stop
2. Bumped saturation up +10
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3. Cropped
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4. Ran Neat Image - just let it do it thing automatically
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5. Selectively enhanced the hue, brightness and more saturation on the yellow parts of the insect body.
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6. Still wasn't happy with noise so I ran Neat Image again
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7. Ran USM 200/.5/0 to enhance the wing structure
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8.Ran Double Matt Frame action which resizes for web posting
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Postby Bretski on Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:25 am

Looks Good Mate...
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Postby kipper on Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:26 am

These are great Slider. Just be careful as Neatimage will reduce detail. While it might not be possible for insects with translucent wings, but for birds I do tend to select the background and feather it and then run a more aggresive noise reduction than what I would on the subject.
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Postby LostDingo on Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:32 am

Slider wrote:
LostDingo wrote:that is pretty amazing for ISO 1000! Can you share an image before NeatImage was used as matter of interest?


No problem, Here is the original untouched apart from crop.

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Thanks for all the comments and tips folks. I will have to get more familiar with layers and how to manipulate them :D Looks like some great new ideas to try out.


Slider. I really appreciate that and you taking time out to share! You have done well and should also be a spokesman for NeatImage :D
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Postby marcotrov on Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:05 am

Amazing stuff Mark. I also am surprised at the quality of the high ISO image but that aside the images are clean, crisp, well composed and clearly demonstrative of great technique. Your last set also shows good application of PP skills. You and the lens are one. :wink:
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Postby avkomp on Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:20 am

thanks for that slider

It was even more useful showing the intermediate stages of the process.
It still amazes me the power we all have on our PCs these days, with software (and knowhow of course) to turn stuff like the original noisy image to something great.

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Postby Alpha_7 on Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:56 pm

Mark - Love the shot, but really appreciate the great step by step of how you got to the finished product.
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